Showing posts with label Flight 93. Show all posts
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Saturday, March 7, 2015

WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON WITH OUR GOVERNMENT

FOR THOSE AMERICANS THAT DON'T KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH OUR GOVERNMENT, THIS TELLS A WHOLE LOT.  IT IS LONG, BUT WELL WORTH THE READ.
CHUCK SEABERT
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NESARA NOW well done overview
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NESARA
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From: The Coming Changes, via Linda M
http://thecomingchanges.freeforums.org/nesara-history-true-story-t3896.html
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 9116/pg538  

This is a well done version, Linda. It leaves out a great deal of detail but presents like a thumbnail sketch.  The people unfamiliar with this area of the “reformation” of America can use to easily get up to speed on some basics.
FYI Note picks up at end of article.


Monday, May 24, 2010
NESARA - History - True Story
Partial history of the true NESARA Law

by James Rink

With all their power and money the bankers thought themselves to be above the law, but cracks were now appearing in their foundations. Angry Americans were beginning to fight back. A class action lawsuit was brewing which would threaten to change the balance of power.

This change began in the mid 1970’s, when the Federal Land Bank illegally foreclosed on farmers mortgages all throughout the Midwest. In each of these cases the farmers were defrauded by the banks with the approval of the Federal Reserve System. These court cases would eventually become known as the farmer claims program.

In 1978 an elderly ranch farmer in Colorado purchased a farm with loan from the Federal Land Bank; after he died the property was passed on to his son Roy Schwasinger Jr., who was a retired military general. Soon after a Federal Land Bank officer and Federal Marshall appeared on his property and informed him the bank was foreclosing on his farm and to vacate within 30 days. Without his knowledge, his deceased father signed a stipulation which reverted the property back to the Federal Land Bank in the event of the borrower’s death.

Outraged, Roy Schwasinger filed a class action lawsuit in the Denver Federal Court system. But the case didn’t go very far and the suit was dismissed from filing incorrectly. This began Roy Schwasinger’s investigation into the inner workings of the banking system. In 1982 he was given a contract by the US senate and later Supreme Court to investigate banking fraud. But because he was under a strict non-disclosure order he was not allowed to tell the media what he discovered. In the late 80s he began sharing his knowledge with others including high ranking military personnel who helped him bring about a class action lawsuit against the federal government.

The first series of these lawsuits began in the mid 1980’s when William and Shirley Baskerville of Fort Collins, Colorado were involved in a bankruptcy case with First Interstate Bank of Fort Collins; who was trying to foreclose on their farm. At a restaurant their lawyer informed them that he would no longer be able to help them and walked-off. Overhearing the conversation Roy Schwasinger offered his advice on how to appeal the case in bankruptcy court. So in 1987 they filed an appeal (Case No. 87-C-716) with the United States District Court in Colorado.

On November 3, 1988, the Denver Federal Court system ruled that indeed the banks had defrauded the Baskervilles and proceeded to reverse its bankruptcy decision. But when the foreclosed property was not returned they filed a new lawsuit. Eventually, 23 other farmers, ranchers, and Indians swindled by the banks in the same manner would join in the case.

In these cases, the banks were foreclosing on the properties using fraudulent methods such as charging exorbitant interest, illegal foreclosure, or by not crediting mortgage payments to their account as they should have but instead would steal the mortgage payments for themselves triggering foreclosure on the property. After running out of money they continued their fight without the help of lawyers. With some assistance by the Farmers Union a new lawsuit was filed against the Federal Land Bank and the Farmers Credit System.

(1) Case No. 92-C-1781

The District Court ruled in their favor and ordered the banks to return the stolen properties with help from either Federal Marshals or the National Guard. But when no payments were made, the farmers declared involuntary Chapter Seven Bankruptcy against the Federal Land Bank and the Farmers Credit System. The banks appealed their case insisting they were not a business but a federal agency therefore they were not liable to pay the damages.
So the farmer’s legal team adopted a new strategy. According to the Federal Land Bank’s 1933 charter they are not allowed to make loans directly to applicants, but instead could only back loans as a guarantor in case of default. Because the Federal Land Bank had violated this rule the farmer’s legal team was able to successfully sue the bank for damages.

Word of the lawsuit began to spread; the legal team would teach others how to fight foreclosure and to help them file lawsuits as well (Case No. 93-1308-M). Celebrities such as Willie Nelson joined in the cause and helped raise money during his “Farm Aid” concerts. Here is short clip of Willie Nelson describing in his own words the series of events leading up to the farmer claims legal case……
The Baskerville case had now become the Farmer Claims Class Action Lawsuit. Worried about the legal ramifications the government retaliated against the farmers by hitting them with either outrageous IRS fees, or by imprisoning the legal team under frivolous nonrelated charges. When the farmers realized they were being unfairly targeted, they had military generals such as General Roy Schwasinger sit in the courtroom to make sure the bribed judges would vote according to constitutional law.

The farmers now with a large team of knowledgeable people of the law behind them filed a new case to claim additional damages from the fraudulent loaning activities of the Farmers Credit System.

The government tried to settle but they had already lost many cases and were now losing the appeals as well. More and more evidence was collected. According to the National Banking Act all banks are required to register their charters with the Federal and State Bureau of Records, but none of the banks complied, allowing the legal team to sue the Farmers Credit System. Not only was Farmers Credit System not chartered to do business with the American Banking Association, but so were other quasi government organizations such as the Federal Housing Administration, The Department of Housing and Urban Development, and even the Federal Reserve Bank.

The Farmers Claims lawsuit was thrown out of court at each level with the records purposely destroyed. So in the early 1990’s Roy Schwasinger brought the case before the United States Supreme Court. Some of the content of this case is sealed from public eyes but most of it can be viewed today.
Almost (u-nan-ah-mous-ly) unanimously the U.S. Supreme Court Justices ruled that the Farmers Union claims were indeed VALID, therefore, all property foreclosed by the Farmers Credit System was illegal and all those who were foreclosed on would have to receive damages. In addition, they ruled that the U.S. federal government and banks had defrauded the farmers, and all U.S. citizens, out of vast sums of money and property.

And furthermore, the court ruled the shocking truth that the IRS was a Puerto Rican Trust and that the Federal Reserve was unlawful, that the income tax amendment was only ratified by four states and therefore was not a legal amendment, that the IRS code was not enacted into “Positive Law”* within the Code of Federal Regulations, and how the U.S. government illegally foreclosed on farmer’s homes with help from federal agencies.

*Positive Law

Laws that have been enacted by a properly instituted and recognized branch of the government.

Irrefutable proof was presented by a retired CIA agent. He provided testimony and records of the banks illegal activities, to lead further evidence that the Farmers’ Union claims were indeed legitimate. The implications of such a decision were profound. All gold, silver, and property titles, taken by the Federal Reserve and IRS must be returned to the people.

The legal team sought assistance from a small group of benevolent visionaries, consisting of politicians, military generals, and business people who have been secretly working to restore the constitution since the mid 1950’s. Somehow within their ranks, a four star U.S. army general received “title” and “receiver” of the original 1933 United States Bankruptcy.

When the case was brought before the U.S. Supreme Court, they ruled in his favor, giving the Army General title over the United States, Inc. Legal action was then passed on to the Senate Finance Committee and Senator Sam Nunn, who was working with Roy Schwasinger. With the help of covert congressional and political pressure, President George H.W. Bush issued an Executive Order (a) on Oct. 23, 1991, which provided a provision allowing anyone who has a claim against the federal government to receive payment as long as it’s within the rules of the original format of the case.
(a) Executive Order No. 12778 Principles of Ethical Conduct for Government Officers and Employees; October 23, 1991
(There had been a history in law suits from people against the government, wherein the government rarely paid legally secured settlements. One of the provisions included in this Exec Order required the government, when they lost a case, not to drag it out until the litigants died but to pay the  settlements fully and quickly. At the time we were told that a group had leverage over Bush that required him to sign the order into law.
This came out during the time meetings were being held where some of the leaders in this activity or movement – ordinary people from all walks of life – traveled town to town to put on these meetings.
In our innocence we took it literally and ‘knew’ it would be followed to the letter. We made copies of this order, passed them on, conveying the good news. Of course we thought this meant the monies would be paid out in a matter of weeks.
At a meeting in an Elks Lodge auditorium Tacoma they had the transcript of the Colorado court case which had taken 4 ½ years to complete. At the end of this trial it was on a fast track back and forth from appeal to Supreme Court back and forth on about a one or two week turn around. The cabal did not have as much power then. But from there they became increasingly brazen, heartless and bold acting in their determination to hang onto their power and quash the people. mjs)

According to the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, all present and succeeding debts against the U.S. Treasury must be assumed by the Federal Reserve. Thus the farmer’s claims legal team was able to use that executive order to not only force the Federal Reserve to pay out damages in a gold backed currency but also allow them to receive legal ownership over the bankruptcy of United States, Inc.
To collect damages the farmers legal team used an obscure attachment to the 14th amendment which most people are not aware of. After the civil war the government allowed citizens to claim a payment on anyone who suffered damages as a result of the Federal Government failing to protect its citizens from harm or damages by a foreign government. President Grant had this attachment sealed from public eyes but somehow, someone the farmer’s legal team got a hold of it.

If you listened to that carefully, it specifies damages by a foreign government. That foreign government is the corporate federal government which has been masquerading to the public as the constitutional government. Remember this goes back to the Organic Act of 1871 and the Trading with the Enemies Act of 1933, which defined all citizens as enemy combatants under the federal system known as the United States. The Justices and farmer’s legal team recognized how evil and corrupt our federal government had become and to counteract this they added some provisions in the settlement to bring the government back under control.

a. First they would have to be paid using a lawful currency, backed by gold and silver as the constitution dictates. This would eliminate inflation and gyrating economic cycles created by the Federal Reserve System.

b. Second they would be required to go back to common law instead of admiralty law under the gold fringe flags. Under common law if there is no damage or harm done then there is no violation of the law. This would eliminate millions of laws which are used to control the masses and protect corrupt politicians.

c. Lastly the IRS would have to be dismantled and replaced with a national sales tax. This is the basis of the NESARA Law.

When the legal team finally settled on a figure, each individual would receive an average of $20 million dollars payout per claim. Multiplied by a total of 336,000 claims that were filed against the U.S. Federal Government, the total payout would come out to a staggering $6.6 trillion dollars.

The U.S. Supreme Court placed a gag order on the case, struck all information from the Federal Registry, and placed all records in the Supreme Court files. Up to that point Senator Sam Nunn had kept the Baskerville Case records within his office. A settlement was agreed to out of court and the decision was sealed by Janet Reno. Because the case was sealed, claimants are not allowed to share court documents to media outlets without violating the settlement, but they can still tell others about the lawsuit. This is why you probably have not heard about this.

In 1991 Roy Schwasinger went before a senate committee to present evidence of the banks and governments criminal activity. He informed them how the Corporation of the United States was tied to the establishment of a New World Order which would bring about a fascist one world government ruled by the international bankers. So in 1992 a task force was put together consisting of over 300 retired and 35 active US military officers who strongly supported constitutional law.* This task force was responsible for investigating governmental officials, congressional officers, judges, and the Federal Reserve.

*Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Jeremy Boorda
*General David McCloud
*Former Director of Central Intelligence, William Colby

They uncovered the common practice of bribery and extortion committed by both senators and judges. The criminal activity was so rampant that only 2 out of 535 members of congress were deemed honest. But more importantly they carried out the first ever audit of the Federal Reserve.
The Federal Reserve was used to giving orders to politicians and had no intentions of being audited. However after they were informed their offices would be raided under military gunpoint if necessary; they complied with the investigation. After reviewing their files the military officers found $800 trillion dollars sitting in accounts which should have been applied to the national debt. And contrary to federal government propaganda they also discovered that most nations had in fact owed money to the United States instead of the other way around.
These hidden trillions were then confiscated and placed into European bank accounts in order to generate the enormous funds needed to pay the farmers claims class action lawsuit, later this money would become the basis of the prosperity programs.

Despite these death blows President George H.W. Bush and the illuminati continued on with their plans of global enslavement.

In August 1992 the military officers confronted President Bush and demanded he sign agreement that he would return the United States to constitutional law and ordered him to never use the term New World Order again. Bush pretended to cooperate but secretly planned to bring about the New World Order anyway by signing an Executive Order on December 25, 1992, that would have indefinitely closed all banks giving Bush an excuse to declare martial law.

Under the chaos of martial law, Bush intended to install a new constitution which would have kept everyone currently in office in their same position for 25 years and it would have removed all rights to elect new officials. The military intervened and stopped Bush from signing that Executive order.

In 1993 members of the Supreme Court, certain members of congress and representatives from the Clinton government meet with high ranking US military officers who were demanding a return to constitutional law, reforms of the banking system, and financial redress. They agreed to create the farm claims process which would allow the legal team to set up meetings all over the country on a grass roots level to help others file claims and to educate them about the lawsuit.

A claim of harm could be made on any loan issued by a financial institution for all interest paid; foreclosures; attorney and court fees; IRS taxes or liens; real estate and property taxes; mental and emotional stress caused by the loss of property; stress related illness such as suicide and divorce; and even warrants, incarceration, and probation could also be claimed.

But the Clinton government undermined their efforts by requiring the farm claims to use a specific form designed by the government. This form imposed an administrative fee of $300 for each claim, which was later used in 1994 as a basis to arrest the leaders of the legal team including Roy Schwasinger.

The government was so afraid of what they would say during their trial in Michigan that extra steps were taken to conceal the true nature of the case. County courthouse employees were not allowed to work between Monday and Thursday during the course of the trial. And outside the courthouse, FBI agents swarmed the perimeter preventing the media and visitors from learning what was going on as well.
Harassment and retaliation by the government increased, many were sent prison or murdered while incarcerated. Despite being protected by his military personnel the army general who acquired the original 1933 Title of Bankruptcy of the United States; was imprisoned, killed, and replaced with a clone. This clone was then used as a decoy to prevent any further claims from being filed.

During the first Clinton administration the military delayed many of Clinton’s federal appointments until they were sure these individuals would help restore constitutional law. One such individual who promised to bring about the necessary changes was Attorney General Janet Reno.

In agreement with the Supreme Court ruling on June 3, 1993, Janet Reno ordered the Delta Force and Navy Seals to Switzerland, England, and Israel to recapture trillions of dollars of gold stolen by the Federal Reserve System from the strategic gold reserves. These nations cooperated with the raid because they were promised their debts owed to the United States would be canceled and because the people who stole the money from the United States also stole money from their nations as well.

This bullion is to be used for the new currency backed by precious metals. It’s now safely stockpiled at the Norad Complex at Colorado Springs, Colorado and four other repositories. Janet Reno’s action so enraged the powers-that-be, that it resulted in her death. She was then replaced with a clone and it was this creature that was responsible for covering-up the various Clinton scandals.
To keep the Secretary of the U.S. Treasury Robert Rubin in line, he too was also cloned. For the remainder of their term in office both Reno and Rubin received their salaries from the International Monetary Fund as foreign agents and not from the U.S. Treasury. Despite these actions the legal team continued on with their fight while managing to avoid bloodshed and a major revolution.

After 1993 the farmer claims process name was changed to Bank Claims. Between 1993 and 1996, the U.S. Supreme Court required U.S. citizens to file “Bank Claims” to collect damages paid by the U.S. Treasury Department. This process CLOSED in 1996.

During this time the U.S. Supreme Court assigned one or more Justices to monitor the progress of the rulings. They enlisted help of experts in economics, monetary systems, banking, constitutional government and law, and many other related areas. These justices built coalitions of support and assistance with thousands of people worldwide; known as 'White Knights”. The term 'White Knights' was borrowed from the world of big business. It refers to a vulnerable company that is rescued by a corporation or a wealthy person from a hostile takeover.

To implement the required changes, the five Justices spent years negotiating how the reformations would occur. Eventually they settled on certain agreements, also known as 'Accords', with the U.S. government, the Federal Reserve Bank owners, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and with numerous other countries including the United Kingdom and countries of the Euro Zone. Because these U.S. banking reformations will impact the entire world; the IMF, World Bank, and other countries had to be involved. The reformations require that the Federal Reserve be absorbed by the U.S. Treasury Department and the banks' fraudulent activities must be stopped and payment must be made for past harm.

In 1998, the military generals who originally participated in the farmer’s claim process realized that the US Supreme Court justices had no intentions of implementing the 'Accords.' So they decided the only way to implement the reformations was through a law passed by congress. In 1999 a 75 page document known as the National Economic Security and Reformation Act (NESARA) was submitted to congress where it sat with little action for almost a year.

Late one evening on March 9, 2000, a written quorum call was hand-delivered by Delta Force and Navy SEALs to 15 members of the US Senate and the US House who were sponsors and co-sponsors of NESARA. They were immediately escorted by the Delta Force and Navy SEALs to their respective voting chambers where they passed the National Economic Security and Reformation Act.

These 15 members of congress were the only people lawfully allowed to hold office in accordance with the original 13th amendment. Remember British soldiers destroyed copies of the Titles of Nobility Amendment (TONA) in the war of 1812 because it prevented anyone who had ties to the crown of England from holding public office.

NESARA is the most ground breaking reformation to sweep not only this country but our planet in its entire history. The act does away with the Federal Reserve Bank, the IRS, the shadow government, and much more.

NESARA implements the following changes:

1. Zeros out all credit card, mortgage, and other bank debt due to illegal banking and government activities. This is the Federal Reserve’s worst nightmare, a “jubilee” or a forgiveness of debt.
2. Abolishes the income tax
3. Abolishes the IRS. Employees of the IRS will be transferred into the US Treasury national sales tax area.
4. Creates a 14% flat rate non-essential 'new items only' sales tax revenue for the government. In other words food and medicine will not be taxed; nor will used items such as old homes.
5. Increases benefits to senior citizens
6. Returns Constitutional Law to all courts and legal matters.
7. Reinstates the original Title of Nobility amendment. Hundreds of thousands of Americans under the control of foreign powers will lose their citizenship, be deported to other countries, and barred from reentry for the remainder of their life. And millions of people will soon discover their college degrees are now worthless paper.
8. Establishes new Presidential and Congressional elections within 120 days after NESARA's announcement. The intern government will cancel all “National Emergencies” and return us back to constitutional law.
9. Monitors elections and prevents illegal election activities of special interest groups.
10. Creates a new U.S. Treasury, 'rainbow currency,' backed by gold, silver, and platinum precious metals, ending the bankruptcy of the United States initiated by Franklin Roosevelt in 1933.
11. Forbids the sale of American birth certificate records as chattel property bonds by the US Department of Transportation.
12. Initiates new U.S. Treasury Bank System in alignment with Constitutional Law
13. Eliminates the Federal Reserve System. During the transition period the Federal Reserve will be allowed to operate side by side of the U.S. treasury for one year in order to remove all Federal Reserve notes from the money supply.
14. Restores financial privacy
15. Retrains all judges and attorneys in Constitutional Law
16. Ceases all aggressive, U.S. government military actions worldwide
17. Establishes peace throughout the world
18. Releases enormous sums of money for humanitarian purposes
19. Enables the release of over 6,000 patents of suppressed technologies that are being withheld from the public under the guise of national security, including free energy devices, antigravity, and sonic healing machines.


Because President Clinton’s clone had no interest in signing NESARA into law on October 10, 2000; under orders from U.S. military generals the elite Naval Seals and Delta Force stormed the White House and under gunpoint forced Bill Clinton to sign NESARA. During this time Secret Service and White House security personnel were ordered to stand down, disarmed, and allowed to witness this event under a gag order.

From its very inception Bush Sr., the corporate government, major bank houses, and the Carlyle group have opposed NESARA. To maintain secrecy, the case details and the docket number were sealed and revised within the official congressional registry, to reflect a commemorative coin and then again it was revised even more recently. This is why there are no public Congressional Records and why a search for this law will not yield the correct details until after the reformations are made public.

You probably never (heard) of this law due to an extremely strict gag order placed upon politicians, media personnel, and bank officers. Even though Alex Jones or Ron Paul will not tell you about it, the law is still valid.

And members of congress will not tell us any of this because they have been ordered by the U.S. Supreme Court Justices to 'deny' the existence of NESARA or face charges of treason punishable by death. Some members of Congress have actually been charged with 'obstruction.' When Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone was about to break the gag order, but before he could, his small passenger plane crashed killing his wife, daughter, and himself.

If fear isn’t enough to keep congress in line, money is. The CIA routinely bribes senators with stolen loot from the bank roll programs. Every senator has been bribed with a minimum of $200 million dollars deposited in a Bank of America account in Canada. You will never hear the media networks report about NESARA. To maintain silence, major news networks such as CNN are paid in the tune of $2 billion dollars annually. Some of this loot is funneled by the Mormon Church in Utah through Senator Orin Hatch’s office and Bank of America.

Not only is congress bribed but the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff and upper tier of the government including the president receives these payments as well. Only the Provost Marshall has the lawful authority to arrest these individuals, but sadly he won’t do his job either. It seems the United State military is full of pencil pushing politicians who care more about advancement then doing their job.

And not surprisingly, much disinformation about NESARA can be found on the internet. Prominent nay-sayers include quatloos.com, which is rumored to be a CIA front; nesara.org which is maintained by the Bush family; Sherry Shriner; and various Internet channelers receiving their messages from telepathic spooks have all contributed to the confusion.

Even the information on Wikipedia is in error. Wikipedia gives you the history of CIA agent Harvey Barnard’s NESARA law. If you look closely, this law stands for National Economic Stabilization and Recovery Act, which would have made reforms to the economy and replace the income tax with a national sales tax. This law was rejected by congress in the 1990’s. But there is little mention of the National Economic Security and Reformation Act on Wikipedia or its ramifications.

September 11, 2001

The next step is to announce NESARA to the world, but it’s not an easy task to do. Many powerful groups have tried to prevent the implementation of NESARA.

The NESARA law requires that at least once a year, an effort be made to announce the law to the public. Three current US Supreme Court judges control the committee in charge of NESARA’s announcement. These Judges have used their overall authority to secretly sabotage NESARA’s announcement.

In 2001 after much negotiation the Supreme Court justices ordered the current Congress to pass resolutions 'approving' NESARA. This took place on September 9, 2001, eighteen months after NESARA became law. On September 10, 2001, George Bush Sr. moved into the White house to steer his son on how to block the announcement. The next day, on September 11, 2001, at 10 am Eastern Daylight Time, Alan Greenspan was scheduled to announce the new US Treasury Bank system, debt forgiveness for all U.S. citizens, and abolishment of the IRS as the first part of the public announcements of NESARA.

Just before the announcement at 9 am, Bush Sr. ordered the demolition of World Trade Center to stop the international banking computers on floors one and two, in the North Tower from initiating the new U.S. Treasury Bank system. Explosives in the World Trade Center were planted by both CIA and Mossad operatives and detonated remotely in Building 7 which was demolished later that day in order to cover-up their crime.

Remote pilot technology was used in a flyover event to deliver a payload of explosives into the Pentagon at the exact location of the White Knights in their new Naval Command Center who were coordinating activities supporting NESARA's implementation nationwide. With the announcement of NESARA stopped dead in its tracks, George Bush Sr. decapitated any hopes of returning the government back to the people.

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Saturday, May 12, 2012

Flight 175 9/11 passengers?


Newspaper reports say witnesses saw approximately 200 people walking in direction of NASA building in late morning at the Cleveland airport (pictured above). These people had gotten off a plane or planes that have not been accounted for.

Two writings provide evidence for these facts:

1) An article from researcher “Woody Box” from which I used many of the facts and opinions to form my conclusion regarding the events of 9/11 in Cleveland.

2) My article from September 2010 in which I endorsed the account that passengers landed in Cleveland on 9/11 based in part on the above Woody Box research and my own. Note that I favor United 175 as being the flight that carried them. I now believe it was likely both United 175 AND United 93.

What is the significance of the number 200?

The total number of alleged passengers on all alleged flights associated with the events of 9/11 is also approximately 200. Counting all crewmembers, passengers and alleged hijackers, the total number is 265. Of course, if only United 93 and United 175 flew, it may make sense to discount the crewmembers of American 11 and American 77 (11 and 6, respectively, or 17 total). This would lower the number to 248. Cutting out the number of alleged hijackers, 19, brings the total number down to 229.

Two of the flights were unscheduled and did not fly (American 11 and 77). A check of the Bureau of Transportation Statistics records, in original and in “amended” form, proves this fact.

One of my articles contains both the original and tampered sets of records. It is still ranked over a year later as #27 all-time out of thousands for diaries (articles typically less than 500 words) on OpEd News.

Question:

Who shows up for an unscheduled flight?

Only one who knows about such a flight or fake flight. In the case of 9/11, it could only be someone familiar with the plot (i.e. an agent). Otherwise, to a non-agent, there would appear to be no purpose for being there.

Further hypothesis: We should assume, for the sake of this argument, that the passengers alleged to have gone on the non-existent flights of American 11 and American 77 “passengers” were agents.

Hypothesis:

All “passengers” showed up at Boston or Newark Airports. Those alleged to have flown on 11 and 175 take United 175 from Boston. Those alleged to have flown on 77 and 93 take United 93 from Newark.

Interestingly, there are reasons to believe that Flights 175 and 93 were delayed, perhaps to load additional passengers. I give my reasons for this idea about Flight 175 in Planes without Passengers: the Faked Hijackings of 9/11 (pages 36-41) and about Flight 93 in my article with Jim Fetzer, “The 9/11 Passenger Paradox: What Happened to Flight 93?”

Readers are also encouraged to see Woody Box’ discussion of “Flight 11”:

Both United 93 and 175 land in Cleveland. Again from “The 9/11 Passenger Paradox,” Cleveland is the most likely destination for both flights when one considers ACARS, the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System used to track messages sent from on-ground locations to planes and vice-versa.

ACARS, as explained to us by Pilots for 9/11 Truth and others, shows Flight 93 heading west over ILLINOIS minutes AFTER it supposedly crashed in Shanksville, PENNSLVANIA. It also shows Flight 175 to be flying over western Pennsylvania minutes after it allegedly crashed into the south tower of the World Trade Center.

Add to this information the news reports of mysterious people, likely to have been passengers, in Cleveland, and the hypothesis of the planes landing in Cleveland is reasonable.

Question:

Why did the planes go to Cleveland?

Logic: They had agents present who obviously played or role in the plot or their presences makes no sense. With the fake passenger plane crashes having been accomplished, it appears likely the plotters needed help with the cover-up.

So the agents take the passengers to a place where no one would recognize them. Their identification would ruin the plot. The media would soon report, falsely, that United 175 had struck the World Trade Center Building Two and that United 93 had crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. All passengers in each flight were said to have been killed instantly.

The plotters were likely concerned about what the public knew about the two flights. They would have to make sure the passengers did not communicate with the public or have their identities revealed as that would tie the plotters hands as to what to reveal to the public about the flights. So, here is a timeline of the events as they related to United 93 and 175 that day:

(Source: 911timeline.net unless otherwise noted. All times Eastern)

9:03 AM - United 175 allegedly crashes into World Trade Center 2

9:22 AM – United Airlines sends advisory to dispatchers that United 175 was involved in an “accident” in New York (HC)

9:23 AM – ACARS message receipt shows United 175 still flying near Pittsburgh, PA (Pilots for 9/11 Truth)

9:40 AM - Secretary of Transportation Mineta orders all planes to land

10:03 AM – United 93 allegedly crashes at Shanksville, PA

10:10 AM - The FAA orders all planes to land at nearest airports

10:10 AM – ACARS message receipt shows United 93 still flying near Champaign, IL (Pilots for 9/11 Truth)

10:15 AM – United acknowledges to employees that aircraft has landed near Jonestown, PA and “believed that this was Flight 93” (History Commons)

10:45 AM – Mystery plane arrives in Cleveland Airport. (Local Cleveland Media)

11:26 AM - United Airlines publicly reports that Flight 93, en route from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, has crashed in Pennsylvania, southeast of Pittsburgh.

11:53 AM - United Airlines confirms that Flight 175, from Boston to Los Angeles, has crashed with 56 passengers and nine crewmembers aboard.

Question:

So how did the agents cover-up the evidence of 9/11 plot in Cleveland?

As noted above, the group of approximately 200 people, which included agents and non-agents, were seen going to a NASA building at the Cleveland Airport.

To answer this question, one need only to look at the mathematics, again using the Wikipedia statistics:

Number of alleged passengers from American 11 and 77 is (76+53) or 129

Number of alleged passengers and crewmembers from United 93 and 175 is (40+60) or 100.

So, the agents outnumbered the non-agents. They could then easily “persuade” them to go to a “debriefing” at the NASA building. The sheer use of numbers would negate the need for any overt threats or use of public violence, which in turn would have ruined the plot.

What happened to the passengers?

We could first ask what the plotters needed from them. We now know that the plotters would claim to have matched DNA samples from the “crash scenes” with samples given to authorities by the family members. Perhaps DNA samples (hair, blood, etc.) were taken here.

But even more importantly, the plotters needed to keep the passengers and the fact that they did not die in plane crashes an absolute secret. It boils down to how they could best do that.

The obvious solution would have been for the agents to kill the passengers. This would have kept the secret, but one might reasonably ask why none of the relatives have publicly questioned government involvement in the plot.

What could account from this silence? We are talking about people who say they have lost people close to them. The natural thing for those who have suffered a loss through murder is to find out who did it. It is not reasonable to believe that every relative believes the official theory without question, given the obvious holes and discrepancies in it.

Is it possible that the plotters struck a deal with the relatives ahead of time: they would promise to keep the relatives alive in exchange for the relatives’ agreement not to pursue the matter (and perhaps, some money). Maybe after some period of time, after the plotters reason no one would suspect anything, the passengers will be released back to the public.

Some might call this a Faustian bargain, the idea that the families made a deal with the devil. But there is so little we know about the relatives. Are they connected to intelligence or were they otherwise selected by the plotters? Are they just ordinary people whose relatives were victims of the plot?

Conclusion: Finding Falsifiable Assertions

Without cooperation from the alleged relatives, we cannot ascertain the identities or even the true number of passengers. The main problems of getting this conclusion revolve around the fact that there is no way to prove, or falsify, the most plausible hypotheses, while other hypotheses are untenable.

Hypothesis 1: The passengers and relatives are genuine (real people and real names used). The passengers boarded Flights 175 and 93 under their true names and went to Cleveland. The relatives sincerely believe them to be dead.

Problem: They most certainly did not die at the alleged crash scenes. So the authorities have lied to the families and yet we are expected to believe that none of them have figured this out?

Hypothesis 2: The passengers and relatives are genuine. The passengers boarded Flights 175 and 93 under their true names and went to Cleveland. The relatives are told the passengers died in Cleveland.

Problem: It would not take long for any of the family members to realize that the plotters would be responsible for their relative deaths. That they would keep quiet about such an outrage is laughable.

Hypothesis 3: The passengers and relatives are genuine but are also in on the plot. The passengers boarded Flights 175 and 93 under their true names and went to Cleveland. The relatives strike a deal with the plotters – silence in exchange for the promise that the relatives are somewhere, unharmed.

Problem: It is hard to believe that people would accept their relatives’ absence unquestioningly, even for money. Also, how do we prove a deal was made, or even that there is a connection between the relatives and the plotters? If money were involved, how would it be traced?

Hypothesis 4: The passengers use false names and/or false photographs are later used to “identify” them. The relatives are genuinely related and could use false identities themselves. The passengers boarded Flights 175 and 93 under false names and went to Cleveland. The relatives strike the same deal as in Hypothesis 3.

Problem: The same disbelief as to why the relatives would go along with this. The same questions as to proof, which are made more complex because of the use of false identities. The same issues over money linger as well. But the ease in which the passengers could be brought back to society increases as the identities make it harder for researchers to make connections. Fake pictures (see the vicsim pictures on sites like Lets Roll Forums and September Clues) provide even more cover. The issue of proof involves the ability of researchers to find the fake identities and trace the people to find out if they had any history before 9/11. Some have noted this is an issue with Lady Booth Olson, who married Ted Olson after Barbara Olson’s “death.”

Hypothesis 5: Variation of Hypothesis 4. The passengers could have all been agents using fake names and fake pictures. They could have gone to Cleveland and then checked in with a new identity after 9/11. But how can this agency be proven and why waste so many agents on these flights?

I refuse to give up. On a personal note, my parents are both computer programmers. One of the first words I learned as a child was “debug,” or clear errors out of a program. I would watch them make guess after guess as to what was keeping their program from succeeding until they found the correct one. It was very much like the idea of generating and testing hypotheses until one worked.

So I took another look at pictures on Let’s Roll Forums and September Clues. I re-read an article on the latter as to how a picture of one alleged victim, Honor Elizabeth Wainio, could be used to make several pictures of her. With her and with other alleged passengers, there are different pictures with the same lighting and facial expression, which would be highly unlikely of real people.

If even one picture and corresponding identity were faked, I reasoned, any or all of the others could be faked as well. So I came up with a new hypothesis based on Hypothesis #5 in narration form:

Early on the morning of September 11, 2001, approximately 200 intelligence agents showed up, some of them at Boston Airport and others at Newark Airport.

Upon orders from a connection to the plot, they take their false identities and board Flight 175 (Boston) and Flight 93 (Newark). In both cases, separate groups of people arrive late and fill the plane with more passengers than officially indicated.

Photographs and false identities have already been created for all of the alleged passengers. Some names of real people, like Barbara Olson, are used as well to create the impression that only real names are used. These photographs are kept handy until time to release some of them to the media.

The two flights clear the area and head toward Cleveland, where they land after the orders are given by the FAA for all airplanes to land as soon as possible. Flight plans are altered and images on screens are tampered with to create the impression that Flight 175 came back and went to New York and that Flight 93 came back and went to Pennsylvania. Similar trickery is done for the fake flights of 11 and 77.

The agents/passengers land in Cleveland and, after a short time of detention on their planes, they head quietly to the NASA building. There some of the plotters de-brief the agents as to what has happened on the East Coast.

The agents wait in Cleveland for further instructions. During this time, some of the agents work with the plotters to knock down stories in the media, such as the one in which Cleveland Mayor White stated that United 93 landed in Cleveland. They write disinformation to steer the public away from this idea and feed it to the media.

The plotters release the names of some of the passengers over the next few days and some of the “relatives” get clearance from the plotters to speak to the media. They create a narration of hijacked passengers who died as part of the “War on Terror” against Islamic fundamentalists. The relatives are so loyal to the official theory that one may reasonably wonder if they are themselves agents, perhaps even the same ones!

After a delay, the agents go to their new assignments. Can you falsify this